Marker wrote:Alassau wrote:Last but not least : I prefer loosing 100 games and improve by myself (or not) than someone telling me "Your a fuking ape dumb as hell" and giving me tips.
Are these things mutually exclusive? Like I don't like water, blitz, or ling but I still listen to them because what they're saying is true, even over all the insults. I feel like this is an extremely shady tactic to make a mute point or you are a really stubborn/close-minded person. And I thought u were good when I played with you, and didn't say anything, and in fact that may even be worse. Better not to build up bad habits (citing the post where the community discussed whether to let pubs into high quality games faster). Sure it's a turnoff to be constantly told you're shit, but can't you look beyond that, it seems to be more of a you issue. Like, am I the only one who sees this mindset as more damaging than a person just constantly swearing/being toxic? At least he can be dismissed because what he says carries no weight, but to completely shut out people...
Well, is the criticism is constructive sure. Alass is actually one to take any advice he can to improve his gameplay and is considered the strongest rookie the EU community has seen in a long time. But if you're a newcomer who don't know control and the best player in game is just mocking or insulting you without saying anything but "you're a fucking ape" there isn't much to be taken from it ^^.
Idk if it's the case on NA, but in EU pub, we have some very slow learners, especially because of the linguistic barrier. Just tonight, after a game, I taught a 50 something french puber that if he really wanted to "train and improve" as he told me, he should try using the X key to turn/dribble/stop. He didn't know there was an X key ability cause he hadn't used it once efficiently as he had started and forgot about it, thinking it was "broken". Another good example is Dex's "Is this ice map ?" mocking russian players, infamous in pub cause it's hard to ever communicate with most of them.
On one hand, when you've played 20 games and lost most by not touching the puck, you know you're doing bad. Having a pub star mock you for it and insult you isn't going to help you realize what you did wrong. You might not understand the use of some keys or how to move or might need some time to adjust. You certainly don't need to be disheartened by someone who's not going to give you even a hint at what you did wrong.
I still think that Dex does more good to pub community than he endangers it. He has made some sort of apology and participated for the first time on the forum to do so. I do understand that some of you do not want to forgive him just yet, but I'm glad to see most of you recognize his gesture and attempt to reintegrate the community.
As for the debate on freedom of speech and the different definitions of that right country by country : it's a very interesting debate, but I don't know if it should be developed here ? It is true that France is more keen to condemn certain viewpoints and speeches considered hateful. Hence you could say that we are less tolerant of those view points and, in a way, repressive. However, multiple european juridic systems also implemented a "right to be forgotten". While watching a few of the primary elections debate in the US, I was taken aback by the fact that a politician was quoted on declarations he had made more than 5 years prior during some, seemingly local, interview. After saying his point of view on the question had changed, the political figure was then asked the same question two more times, the journalist asking for more details and probably a better explanation.
In France, this sort of thing is rather rare, it's unusual for news program to remind the viewer that when he was in his early 30s, a specific politician had different views. Same goes for the private life of our officials. The daily show once compared the french election of 2007 and the american one, explaining how most french people didn't care much about their president to be's private life, or how him and his wife were living separately when not on screen.
I don't think any of those two systems offers much less freedom than the other, just that they are different. And in Dex's case, I'd much rather have people blame him for his speech and allow him the right to change and/or show his good side than for them to acknowledge his right to be an ass but not recognize he can and has also been a valuable part of our community.
