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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by TwoDeuce » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:37 pm

Sir wrote:
Stealth is already stated they will be revising the rules to allow for emergency reschedules. We're talking about this particular instance, where there was nothing in place to prepare for a DoS attack since it had never happened. Your complaints have both already been addressed.

So what I'm saying right now, in regards to this specific instance, is that it is far more fair to allow the teams to replay the series than it is to completely screw over one team. It's not fair to NoVa's team that they have to replay a won series, but it is far more unfair for mets' team to get fucked over completely by cheaters.
Aside from G5, was it not a competitive series?
Did Korhal not have a reasonable chance at winning without mets?
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by ElTaco » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:39 pm

Sir wrote:Look, maha, it's virtually impossible to identify the source of a DoS attack. So what you're saying right now is that we should just let people DoS eachother willy-nilly. It's ridiculous. It's a shitty situation all-around and there's no solution that is going to leave everyone happy, but the best and most fair outcome is that the series is simply replayed. Otherwise you're setting the precedent that people can cheat and get away with it.
So we're the cheaters? Nope take a look at where the real injustice is
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by Vapour » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:41 pm

TwoDeuce wrote:
Sir wrote:
Stealth is already stated they will be revising the rules to allow for emergency reschedules. We're talking about this particular instance, where there was nothing in place to prepare for a DoS attack since it had never happened. Your complaints have both already been addressed.

So what I'm saying right now, in regards to this specific instance, is that it is far more fair to allow the teams to replay the series than it is to completely screw over one team. It's not fair to NoVa's team that they have to replay a won series, but it is far more unfair for mets' team to get fucked over completely by cheaters.
Aside from G5, was it not a competitive series?
Did Korhal not have a reasonable chance at winning without mets?
That's the main issue! Korhal took the gamble to win the series, hoping mets would jump on later. And expects a do-over only if they lost.
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by maha » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:41 pm

Vapour wrote:
TwoDeuce wrote:
Sir wrote:
Stealth is already stated they will be revising the rules to allow for emergency reschedules. We're talking about this particular instance, where there was nothing in place to prepare for a DoS attack since it had never happened. Your complaints have both already been addressed.

So what I'm saying right now, in regards to this specific instance, is that it is far more fair to allow the teams to replay the series than it is to completely screw over one team. It's not fair to NoVa's team that they have to replay a won series, but it is far more unfair for mets' team to get fucked over completely by cheaters.
Aside from G5, was it not a competitive series?
Did Korhal not have a reasonable chance at winning without mets?
That's the main issue! Korhal took the gamble to win the series, hoping mets would jump on later. And expects a do-over only if they lost.
This is the basis for the entire argument.
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by Watermelon » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:43 pm

And it's korhal's fault they didn't know mets was being dos'd at the time of the dos, so too bad for them?

there was no precedent in the rules to pause a series if you suspect a player is getting dos'd, and it's never happened before so why would you expect them to identify what was going on and halt the series?
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by maha » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:44 pm

Watermelon wrote:And it's korhal's fault they didn't know mets was being dos'd at the time of the dos, so too bad for them?

there was no precedent in the rules to pause a series if you suspect a player is getting dos'd, and it's never happened before so why would you expect them to identify what was going on and halt the series?
Because the fact that they played it out meant they had a chance to win. It shouldn't matter what the issue was with mets, they continued playing, knowing they had a chance to win... and they did unless u want to argue otherwise.
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by Watermelon » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:48 pm

maha wrote:
Watermelon wrote:And it's korhal's fault they didn't know mets was being dos'd at the time of the dos, so too bad for them?

there was no precedent in the rules to pause a series if you suspect a player is getting dos'd, and it's never happened before so why would you expect them to identify what was going on and halt the series?
Because the fact that they played it out meant they had a chance to win. It shouldn't matter what the issue was with mets, they continued playing, knowing they had a chance to win... and they did unless u want to argue otherwise.
no, they played it out because they had no choice... no team ever has a choice when a player is MIA in playoffs and the other team won't reschedule. you play or you forfeit.
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by Sir » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:48 pm

The compromises should be in favor of nova's team, imo, since him and his team are the ones getting fucked for no fault of their own. Mets and his team are also getting fucked, but the distinction is that some random person is fucking them not the LEAGUE MANAGEMENT. If we are going to compromise, we start from the basis that nova's team IS in fact being dealt an injustice, and go from there. The way it was done, people were under the impression that nova's team is just lucky they dont start 0-1 down and they should be thanking management for starting from scratch. Laughable.
Both teams are getting fucked over through no fault of their own (That is, assuming the cheater was not someone on Aiur, which they probably were). But having to replay a won series registers as a "meh" on the getting fucked scale, whereas having to play without one of your best players due to malicious cheating registers as "giant dildo" on the fucked scale. I guess this is a matter of subjectivity, but i believe that nearly everyone would agree.
Aside from G5, was it not a competitive series?
Did Korhal not have a reasonable chance at winning without mets?
"Aside from [being forced to play a game 3v4 due to cheaters], was it not a competitive series?

what a fucking ridiculous statement.
So we're the cheaters? Nope take a look at where the real injustice is
Nobody knows who the cheaters are but if he was DoS'd then someone was cheating.
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by DustDevil » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:50 pm

calm down kids we won already
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Re: Season 9 Revision Overturned

Post by maha » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:51 pm

Watermelon wrote:
maha wrote:
Watermelon wrote:And it's korhal's fault they didn't know mets was being dos'd at the time of the dos, so too bad for them?

there was no precedent in the rules to pause a series if you suspect a player is getting dos'd, and it's never happened before so why would you expect them to identify what was going on and halt the series?
Because the fact that they played it out meant they had a chance to win. It shouldn't matter what the issue was with mets, they continued playing, knowing they had a chance to win... and they did unless u want to argue otherwise.
no, they played it out because they had no choice... no team ever has a choice when a player is MIA in playoffs and the other team won't reschedule. you play or you forfeit.
Yes I agree, and I think in the future we should have rules to prevent this (management is already on it). So there was management issues, right, so I agree we should compromise. However, I don't believe we should be under the illusion that nova's team is not being dealt an injustice, and that's the illusion people seemed to be under. If you ignore the fact that nova's team is being fucked, then it makes sense to re-do the series entirely. But taking into account nova's team being fucked, compromises should be made in FAVOR of nova's team... but instead people act like nova's team is lucky they don't start down 0-1.
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