Season 9 Debacle Proposal

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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by forumusername » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:24 pm

Counter_This wrote:Maha's credibility is summed up in... Season 4, New Folsom trades Bulbassaur (1st overall) for Shakuras's Tenkz (35th overall).
swift's credibility is summed up in... season 9, look at the fuckin draft board LMAO
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by Sleek » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:33 pm

forumusername wrote:
Counter_This wrote:Maha's credibility is summed up in... Season 4, New Folsom trades Bulbassaur (1st overall) for Shakuras's Tenkz (35th overall).
swift's credibility is summed up in... season 9, look at the fuckin draft board LMAO
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by JMoney » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:42 pm

forumusername wrote:
Counter_This wrote:Maha's credibility is summed up in... Season 4, New Folsom trades Bulbassaur (1st overall) for Shakuras's Tenkz (35th overall).
swift's credibility is summed up in... season 9, look at the fuckin draft board LMAO
The man had one week left on the job before retirement with a full pension plan and u gotta go for the throat like that. Dam. He has a family...
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by NoVa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:54 pm

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@Maha you're like the only person that is "serious" about this. Please calm down and move on.
nice post, there definitely is 'nobody' besides maha who cares yet there are people who are agreeing with him in this thread.
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by Counter_This » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:57 pm

Kaga and the person viewing themselves as the victim who prostested his own game and thus missing out because of pettiness.
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by maha » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:00 pm

Counter_This wrote:Kaga and the person viewing themselves as the victim who prostested his own game and thus missing out because of pettiness.
blitz and mets have like 15+ posts a piece
"This is the most absurd piece of garbage that can't even be applied to the actual league. Great job embarrassing yourselves."
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by RusH » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:15 pm

maha #1 save zhl pls
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by htcp » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:17 pm

I think the argument for a replay of the series comes down to whether or not you believe mets was attacked. I don't think any evidence needs to be provided about WHO attacked just IF he was attacked.. and if he was it should absolutely be replayed. If it was just his net issues then the storms should advance. I'm not really in a position to judge the evidence, but I believe marker and krazy are unbiased on the matter.
This is the crux of the issue.

I'm just going to start out saying that there was absolutely no way the management could have ever come out with a winning hand in this scenario, suffice it to say the deck was stacked against them. However, they did misplay their hand while handling the investigation. I’m just typing this up as an exercise to try and see where the investigation failed and where it was a success to try and see if it is worth another try by another party. There will be things I miss and things I might get wrong, I’m not perfect. Correct me where you see fit.

I'm gonna break this down, from my PoV, mainly just for my sake. Also, my timeline is probably off as I have not dedicated my life to this issue *cough* Maha *cough*.

1. Storms playing out series and being in a situation where they are in a lose - lose scenario.


This is my opinion was unavoidable, with this being the first time there has been alleged DOS attack in ZH history. It would be a huge scandal if Blitz or any of the managers stopped the series when Mets first DC'd. Playing out the rest of the series was the right call given the current information that was available and the resources given to management. However it leads into that the Aiur Storm are now playing in a lose-REALLY lose scenario, which is highly unfortunate, yet unavoidable.

Moving on, Aiur wins, Mets believes he was a DOS victim; shitstorm ensues.

Now you come to an important part of the case, whether to believe that Mets was a victim, or that it was just an unfortunate disconnect.
Management rightly called in outside sources to investigate the case, this is where the situation also becomes blurry because the general public does not have a clear view of management chat and the influence that Blitzerg plays in the case.

2. Management made a decision to replay the games, given the assumption that Mets was a victim of a DOS attack.

This is where things get krazy. After reviewing the case, management concluded (with help from outside sources) that Mets was a victim of an attack and they called for a replay of the series. A big mistake here, even though it honestly meant nothing towards the investigation, was bringing in vapour and cubs. I understand their votes didn't count but having them there straight up caused confusion to a lot of parties and I honestly didn't know why these guys were brought in, tbh. Krazy and Marker were understandable inclusions; holding a commissioner tryout during one of the most influential cases in ZH was not understandable.
3. Anyways, they decide to force a remake of the series and post pretty much no evidence

Community uproar ensues. Management claim they have sufficient evidence and the testimony to back themselves up. Not sure if management should have posted the tiny snippet they posted eventually, but the complete lack of evidence available led to some rightful backlash. Though, with the personal nature of the evidence, it’s tough to say if management made the right call to not release evidence. Remember, management is still under the assumption that there was a confirmed attack. This leads to the question, from the community, whether Mets was attacked. Now you have not only managers and experts commenting on the case, but you have cubs and vapour shitposting their asses off and causing havoc.
A couple days past lots of shitposts, deleted posts, though there is some legit conversation hidden in the pile of shit that is the zealot hockey forums.
New post we get a NEW ruling based on some community input. (there was a meeting with swift and maha and others about how nova should be compensated, that I was included in! yay!) This was a strong step my management to try and reach out to the community during this troubling time. Though apparently some LMs were being left out of the loop for some things? I don’t know, the behind the scenes stuff never lines up. They come up with a couple options, with the winner being….

4. To extend the series to a BO7 with a 3-2 score and attendance lock rules leave out carl / dust.
This was a big fuck up. They took an extreme option that pretty much buries KWP because they won’t have the players because of the, honestly terrible, attendance lock ruling. It’s questionable that stealth is voting (note: owners shouldn’t be managers), though not completely crazy.

Here the evidence gets posted.
-- Sidenote: is there more evidence than this? I’ve been told by people that this was all the evidence you had, but I’ve also heard you are protecting some of it still because it is too private. (pls respond)
Evidence comes out weaker than expected and an instant veto process is started, by the KWP.

5. Management collects the votes from owners / LM’s and it comes up that yes it will be overruled and back to the straight remake.
Honestly I don’t know what happened here. Who collected the votes? How were they collected? Was there a mass discussion between the owners and the managers? I have no clue. By this point management has little to no recourse to try and get another ruling as this is final. The match is scheduled and Aiur protest the reschedule by not showing up – KWP move on to finals. I honestly lost interest in the whole case at this point as I thought it was over and done.
6. We got this thread.
Nice post kurt. Stay retired.

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Now you guys are attempting to get back to square one, but I guess it’s up to the community to decide if that is necessary. Throughout my ramblings I’ve neglected to try and bring up where Blitzerg may have tampered with the case; because, to be honest, I’m not sure where to look or whether its relevant. Maha has brought up in the few chats that I’ve heard that This case has been dirtied by “Blitz’ regime” to the point where what they have decided means nothing.
I’m not sure I’m on board with that. For the most part I believe that the management, sans Blitz, has enough integrity to not be influenced heavily by Blitz. And at this point in the season I’m sure they are all tired of him anyways and don’t even care what he has to say, especially in another case where he is involved. This shit wasn’t new, the community had the same exact conversations when Mets was being investigated for AC.
Now is the time to ask the important questions revolving around the case, and from there you can formulate your opinions.

Did the management do the best they could given the situation?
Probably, there were bound to be wildly differing opinions and errors based on who you asked, but for the most part I don’t think it was handled terribly.

Given the scenario where can say that it is more likely than not that Mets was in fact attacked, do we consider a remake for the series?

IMO, yes. I’d feel confident saying that IF Mets’ was DOS’d during the game, it more than likely came from a source within the ZH community. The circumstantial evidence that is here is enough to warrant some form of a replay of the series (my personal favorite was a remake with Nova getting home field advantage.)
If there is not enough reasonable proof if Mets was DOS’d, is it reasonable to try and oust the current management?
It’s a bit extreme, but honestly if you guys find that the circumstantial evidence is not strong enough than an overthrow is probably the only solution to try and find justice.
Did Blitz fuck up this investigation?
Idk, I don’t have enough info.

How do we handle this in the future?
Lul u guys figure that out im busy being shit @ the game.


Honestly at this point in the post I’m just tired and I’m ready to move on. I started this during a quick lunch break and you might be able to tell when I just gave up on the rest of the post. It also looks like halfway through the day people are posting similar things to what im saying so that’s neat. i'm submitting this now, kurt told me to proofread, yea how about no this is the forums


Tldr;
Need to find if it was more likely than not if Mets was DOS’d to really get @ the issue.
Arguing over other issues doesn’t solve anything until that is concrete, that boils down to opinion.
As much fun as it to shit on management, they made a lot less mistakes than they are accused of making.
I have no idea what im talking about.

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formatting is a disaster not gonna fix it
also blitz u were awful at moderating the forums.

edit again:
also just because i believe that it should be a remake for this event I do not think it should be handled the same way in the future. This is a special circumstance due to how it was near impossible to stop the game midseries. Needs to be re-evaluated completely seperate of this ruling regardless of the results.
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Re: Season 9 Debacle Proposal

Post by htcp » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:18 pm

Watermelon wrote:htcp: I'd rather have CK torrenting porn on east than mitz on east
nice quote. god tiny u were awful on east back in s3, killed IH's quicker than anything

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