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Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:35 pm
by daggius
NSIC IS ALIVE

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:13 pm
by Navyseals
Provy Approved. 10/10 would read

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:56 pm
by Bulbasaaur
i told you i'm bad

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:45 am
by Watermelon
Added a gif for the rhythmic juking section

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:37 am
by handsumSnail
10/10 would read again

i think Felix, Slide, MoS would make the "deterministic finisher" cut if the graph was made for EU, i find that if you position yourself properly against them, you get scored on... so i usually try to do a lot of weird stuff against them like intentionally offering them openings through bad positioning and then Z to fill the gap, however, if they do not switch to opportunistic i look like a complete nab

which is actually the same topic as is my only issue i have with this article, and that is most ppl (even some best players) can't tell the difference between goalie panic and trying to turn the table on the striker and making him the one that has to respond to your moves... how? by providing a gap in your position you rely on the striker to have quick reflexes and since he should already be powering up, you are left with no choice but to use charge. if he is good enough, he is wired to release on first gap he "creates", and you just stopped impossible 1v1 situation... but if he is not, it looks like you positioned yourself badly and paniced to stop the shot

similiar to this are 1v1 breakaways where striker is so far ahead of closest defender he gets to fully charge a shot and doing couple of clicks barely cuts him to half power, leaving him in imba position to score. i feel like in that situation you have to respond by choosing a side and charging, because it is no longer possible to react after shot gets powered past a certain point. however, only half of the time striker releases when he should (=his shot power&proximity>human reaction&internet latency), and even then it's 50-50 you guessed the side he can shot at. so you are left there looking like nab who paniced, when in fact you increased your chances of saving the goal from little over zero to 1 in 4...

and yes, when i say guess, i do mean it. past a certain level in skill, striker in my opinion always has much easier job than goalie. even though everything i mentioned was for 1v1s exclusively, i strongly support the school of thought where a goalie is as good as his defense.

Nocturnus explains it further by saying a defenders job is not to take away possesion, but to harass powerup bar so that when shot is finally released, its speed is in human limits to stop. this basically means you should never tackle (charge against direction of enemy) but close down (move with the enemy whilst closing the distance) , you should try and stay as close as possible to the opposing striker at all times (forcing him to reposition, to click), you should never assume resteal wont happen (so if u get the steal chance, spam it away to the side), and so on... for goalies, we can add that snipes should never work (if you are in harmony with your defense) and that you should never get scored on your near corner (especially important just after u get cooldown, cuz most goalies feel vulnerable and/or dont trust their defense enough so they abbandon position and get rekt by opportunistic strikers).

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:43 am
by SplatterArt
handsumSnail wrote:[As Defender] you should never tackle (charge against direction of enemy) but close down (move with the enemy whilst closing the distance) , you should try and stay as close as possible to the opposing striker at all times (forcing him to reposition, to click), you should never assume resteal wont happen (so if u get the steal chance, spam it away to the side), and so on... for goalies, we can add that snipes should never work (if you are in harmony with your defense) and that you should never get scored on your near corner (especially important just after u get cooldown, cuz most goalies feel vulnerable and/or dont trust their defense enough so they abbandon position and get rekt by opportunistic strikers).
<3 THIS part !

Give me def player mature enough to implement this. ;)
Very uncommon among our players because most of them want to have fun with scoring.

Also:
- Breakaway goal - defender's fault (for me good def = no breakaways - he always stands in the line between goalie and opponent eventually have chance to steal if opponent goes solo all the way)
- Short post goal - goalie's fault

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:32 pm
by DerrocK
SplatterArt wrote:
handsumSnail wrote:[As Defender] you should never tackle (charge against direction of enemy) but close down (move with the enemy whilst closing the distance) , you should try and stay as close as possible to the opposing striker at all times (forcing him to reposition, to click), you should never assume resteal wont happen (so if u get the steal chance, spam it away to the side), and so on... for goalies, we can add that snipes should never work (if you are in harmony with your defense) and that you should never get scored on your near corner (especially important just after u get cooldown, cuz most goalies feel vulnerable and/or dont trust their defense enough so they abbandon position and get rekt by opportunistic strikers).
<3 THIS part !

Give me def player mature enough to implement this. ;)
Very uncommon among our players because most of them want to have fun with scoring.

Also:
- Breakaway goal - defender's fault (for me good def = no breakaways - he always stands in the line between goalie and opponent eventually have chance to steal if opponent goes solo all the way)
- Short post goal - goalie's fault
hi

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:37 pm
by handsumSnail
ROFLMAO

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:08 pm
by SplatterArt
DerrocK wrote: hi
You, sir are very good def and I have an impression You'd be even better if You dedicate for this role.

Re: Professor Watermelon's "Art of the Finish"

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:33 pm
by l)arkangel
SplatterArt wrote:
DerrocK wrote: hi
You, sir are very good def and I have an impression You'd be even better if You dedicate for this role.
come to the dark side

ha.
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